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Ok. So the other night on Bloodqueen I got a couple of DCs. Nothing Raid crippling and TBH it went largly unnoticed and didnt cause to many issues. It was only twice int he 4 hours but being anal twice was twice to many for me.

I ran a few line checks that night and got the shocking result of 0.250 MB Download and 1.125 MB Upload Speed.

Obviously this was not a pleasing result. I use BT broadband and its bloody expensive. Especially if I go over my 25GB limit (I am a video streaming freak, I zerg 25GB every month)

Now I was shocked to see on one specific test it gave me a IP Profile of 250. In the UK regardless of who you are online with your hardware is owned and maintained by BT. They give everyone a profile based on the maximum range of connection you achieve when you connect. So if you connect and can achieve 8MB download speeds they will give you an IP profile of 7.5MB (EG) and that is the cap for your line. These setting take a while to update. So if you get improvement it takes a while for you BRAS or IP profile to be updated.

Basically my IP profile has been dropped to 250 which gives me a speed cap of 250kbps. Dispite the fact I can prove I can upload at 1.1MB so the cap is obviously wrong they (apparently) cannot manually adjust this setting and I am stuck with this rating till it updates. (3 days to 2 weeks)

I am assuming some fault has caused this, whatever it was has cleared I am sure cos of my upload speed and now my IP profile is stuck at its current level.

This may effect my ability to Raid. If I feel this has an impact on my Raiding and my ability to help the team I will remove myself from raiding.

I have an engineer (I had a SF down the phone) coming to check the local network box and my local line to make sure there is nothing causing my rating. But I am sure there is fook all wrong.

Sorry if you fell asleep during thos boring post Happy But if not the results of my test are below.... Happy

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IP Profile/Speedtest Results wrote:
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 50-250 Kbps.
Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate :287 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1189 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 250 Kbps
The throughput of Best Efforts (BE) classes achieved during the test is - 9.21:26.97:63.82 (SBE:NBE:PBE)
These figures represent the ratio while sententiously passing Sub BE, Normal BE and Priority BE marked traffic.
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Mikki i had exactly the same issue with BT a few months back and it lterally had been going on for 6 months - where my net speed would plummet,m after about 3-4 irrate phonecalls from me where i out and out accused them off capping my net speed and such they said they would send an engineer out and test the line.... 2 months later speed ahas been perfect at around 4mg (max in my area).

Personally i know a mate who works in broadband for them and he told me that they use the fault on the line excuse to cover a secret capping of people who exceed their limits etc


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your BRAS profile is set to be just under your line speed, and is usually locked in, and BT lie, they can reset the BRAS profile, its just not done to the general public, if you were a big business you can bet your ass that shit would be reset.

Your DSL Connection Rate :287 Kbps - This is not done by any capping by BT.

If this read 8000kbps, and your BRAS profile read 250kbps, thats a cap in place by the service provider.

Now what it seems like to me, is that your line due to fault or other is dropping down to low >300kbps and to compensate for that the BRAS profile is setting itself low.


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Date Download Speed Upload Speed
Today 05:20 7528 kbps (954kB/s) 610 kbps (76.3kB/s)

Lolol is mu upload speed meant to be that low? lawl


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Yes. We are not prividers of internet so we get high download and low upload.

The 1.1 MB i get upload is about right for my area.

And yes Ellee my profile would have been set low by something or some fault. But whatever it is must be cleared as if my line can upload at 1.1MB it can also download at the same rate minimum. But the BRAS acts as a cap of sorts.

My line is fine now and capable of its usual 6-7MB down and 1-1.5 MB up but the BRAS is Profile is capping me.

It sucks.
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your upload speed is on a different frequency to your download speed and generally does not have an effect when discussing errors like this.

the bras profile works to "protect" your line speed, keeping it at a level which wont cause you to disconnect if your line speed drops.

If you have a line which is constantly jumping form 8Mbps to 0.3Mbps the bras profile will write itself to just under 0.25Mbps regardless of how often you spend at 8Mbps, it sounds to me like you have an unstable line.

Your DSL Connection Rate :287 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1189 Kbps(UP-STREAM)

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This right here should be CONSTANT - should never change, or change very slightly, what you posted here points to an error on the line.

edit: If your line rate does become constant the BRAS profile will reset itself to the new level, this can take 10days.


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Ellee! wrote:
your upload speed is on a different frequency to your download speed and generally does not have an effect when discussing errors like this.


Little Educational post for the people interested and to clarify Ellee's point :

Actually the frequency spectrum for both upload and download are all in different ranges

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Here you can clearly see that the frequency spectrum of upstream is on a lower frequency which means basically this :

The higher the frequency to more error sensitive is. That's why you never hear / rarely hear problems about analog phone systems because there in the lowest frequency possible ( the normal POTS system not that crap ISP offer today since there in the high frequency spectrum )

Now we get to the second part that is your actual access line which in the end is just a simple copper wire.

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Here you can see because of it being a copper wire you have multiple scenario's, first you have to take into degree that copper is sensitive to ground level water for corrosion and second you need to know the chemical compound of the copper wire which determines the "resistance and reflection ) of the frequency inside that copper wire.

Then imagine that small lines need to pass trough it the best result is a full straight line but unfortunately nobody can do that since the copper pair that end in your house are bundled like this :

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So the educational session comes down to this :

- Speeds are dependent on the length and/or reflection en degradation of the signal within the copper wire.
- Speeds are determined by frequency levels inside that copper wire.

Combine those and you see some reason why this is a very plausible explanation to why your upload can be intact while your download is suffering.


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Ellee I no longer like you.

I had someone to blame and shout at and now you make it sound liek thay are not lying to me at all and I do infact have an Error like thay said.

Please remove you post so i can go back to being a grumpy conspiracy theorist and return to my plan to deliver urine soaked mail to the directors of the obviously corrupt organisation.

(Thanks for helping me clear this up...hopefully the repair mans visit to the local junction will sort this out, seeling the picture of the wire bundles I wish him good luck Happy )

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your upload speed is on a different frequency to your download speed and generally does not have an effect when discussing errors like this.

the bras profile works to "protect" your line speed, keeping it at a level which wont cause you to disconnect if your line speed drops.

If you have a line which is constantly jumping form 8Mbps to 0.3Mbps the bras profile will write itself to just under 0.25Mbps regardless of how often you spend at 8Mbps, it sounds to me like you have an unstable line.

Your DSL Connection Rate :287 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1189 Kbps(UP-STREAM)

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This right here should be CONSTANT - should never change, or change very slightly, what you posted here points to an error on the line.

edit: If your line rate does become constant the BRAS profile will reset itself to the new level, this can take 10days.
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whitemikki wrote:

(Thanks for helping me clear this up...hopefully the repair mans visit to the local junction will sort this out, seeling the picture of the wire bundles I wish him good luck Happy )



That just the ground cable it's pretty easy compared the junction gets all the cables like this

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couple of things to add if you want to trouble shoot your broadband, make sure that you are plugged into the BT TEST socket.

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Then run constant tests over a period of time and see if you remain stable at a decent speed, (did i hear 6Mpbs?) this will eliminate any chance of it being your problem, if you are already doing this then apologies Happy

Additionally switch microfilters etc to 100% make sure its not your fault, then once you do that you can open the QQ cannons and moan your ass off to those sons of bitches at BT.


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I have had a message today. The engineer has traced the fault to my property.

Appearently it is my issue. Sill i will hardwire into the test port and see what happens

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well 2 days in the test port and my IP profile is the same.

Today I tried to Raid and chain DC'd. It can do 10 mans fine but not 25's.

I even turned off every addon i have to played wow in a freaky orginal WoW UI...was scary but didnt improve anything.
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whitemikki wrote:
well 2 days in the test port and my IP profile is the same.

Today I tried to Raid and chain DC'd. It can do 10 mans fine but not 25's.

I even turned off every addon i have to played wow in a freaky orginal WoW UI...was scary but didnt improve anything.


I used to have similar problems to yourself.

Try also changing your combat log to not record anything at all. It generates so much more spam in 25s than 10s and it helped me immensely.

Here's hoping you get it sorted soon, mate.


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Ok, some slight confusion here, dont bother with any of that combat log crap or disabling addons, you have a fault somewhere,

Your DSL Connection Rate :287 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM)

This is your sync speed, this should be >6000kbps (based on the info you have given) all the time, it should never really change much at all, the fact you have done a speed test and got this result means there is an error somewhere and it needs sorting.

Now BT's "jurisdiction" goes up to your test socket, anything beyond this is their fault, if you have your router plugged into the test socket and BT arent lying and it IS in your property and you STILL get a result of 287kbps then there is a problem with:

a) your microfilter
b) your router
c) your internal cables connecting the filter to your router (v v unlikely - just check for rips/tears)

If you can replace these with borrowed ones or the like to make 100% sure that its not your equipment then you are back on to BT.

However you say you have been in the test socket 2 days? Have you been checking your router page regularly for the sync speed? and made sure you have not been dropping to below 300kbps? Because this is what you need to do.


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