WotlK - SHAMAN CHANGES!!!!!

[Borgrimm]

New patch came out for alpha, shaman rogues etc are all live, OMG OMG SHAMAN PWN !!!!!!

http://wotlk.wikidot.com/shaman

OMG THAT IS INSANE

resto tree is sooo imba, lesser healing and healing wave improved SOOO much, earth shield is like awesome healing, can cleanse curses !!!!

WTF is this is true shamans are in heaven

Enhancement has immune to stuns etc, spirit wolves, OMG THEY ARE INSANE!!!

elemental devastation moved THATS great for shaman
LOL elemental even seems INSANE

http://wotlk.wikidot.com/rogue
Rogues, not even sure if this is working

http://wotlk.wikidot.com/hunter
heres you hunters

everything is there now for every class, damn if them shaman changes are ture, that is SICK

[Sullin]

and you really think that that thunder talent, where you knockback everyone around you 200 yards AND restore 5% mana is going to get in WotLK?

LOL

[Borgrimm]

No not at all, but its most likely a mistake, or something *shrug*

Looking at it I dont think most will, I mean there are MAJOR talent changes, things are moving around, alot of talents getting adjusted 5/5 changed to 3/3 talents etc.

Im still quite curious if these are true, but alot of the spells are on differnet forums, and on WotlK sites that have all other changes, so theres a small chance a fair few are true.


Rogues talent in subtelity, 'for 9sec the rogue enters stealth every 3sec' That is insane talent, cheaphot while in combat, ambush etc etc

Theres quite a few 'yeah right' talents, but dont forget how imba some other classes talents seem too. who knows, still some seem cool. Fire Nova totem adds a stun to target too !!!

[Vilhelmiina]

Sullin wrote:

and you really think that that thunder talent, where you knockback everyone around you 200 yards AND restore 5% mana is going to get in WotLK? LOL

It's probably just one too many zeros there, so 20yards.


-Naha.

[Borgrimm]

20yards is still a big knockback for every enemie around you. Imagine doing it in MH with trash, knocking them all bacak 20yards screws tanking up.

maybe they just messed it up totally, but who knows, 20yards seems far for a 45second CD
Maybe 2 ?

[Vilhelmiina]

And Borghirr, about if these are true or not. The truth is probably close to what happened with the DK talent trees I posted a way back.

They might just have been true at that moment of alpha, untill blizzard wanted to change all the trees around, so there just wouldn't be one tanking and one pvp and melee dps tree.


So these might be true now, untill they go through a thural testing phase where stuff is balanced and shifted.


-Naha.

[Borgrimm]

Well like people said with DK and 1st realeases, theres a good chance they are true, TBC had the same thing, talents were leaked and things that were leaked were 90% truth.

So who knows, anyway this is the talent build I would take.

http://wrath.druzya.org/yarr/?c=shaman&v=8472&b=9z033y5523c31355313501122331251

its insane, absoulutly insane, with talents my earth shield recieves 25% more +healing, it already recieves insane amount of my +healing.

Ancestral konwledge is now intelect NOT mana, and its 6% <3

14% crit for lesser healing wave and healing wave. The benefit you get from +healing on them, AND the ability when you crit is awesome.

Spirit link Im not sure on, its weird, 2200 damage isnt that much, useless on a tank as thats 1 hit really on bosses, and for 12% of my mana

Ahh well, guess dreams might come true as these talents are quite what the shamans want.

Stuns and knockbacks + immune to physical attqacks for elemental

Immune to stuns and stuff etc for enhancement, and the weapon spec is SEXY

[Jealousy2]

actually i disagree

shall we start from a pve perspective?

Getting PUG spots
our biggest pve problem is getting spots as dps in 5 mans due to our lack of cc - there will be no change to that except that there is now anouther class with cc (roots now usable indoors) who will be a prefered choice.

resto raid healing
you will also note there are no new ranks of CH listed, i.e CH will remain a level 70 ability in a level 80 world - thats a bit like an automatic two step downrank. I'd imagine it will be suitable for topping off raids and little else. The changes to HW and LHW make us more powerful single target healers but our mana efficiency will never get close to pallies in this regard. Priests are also taking a big hit to their raid healing abilities - looks like druids are the new raid healers. the weapon proc (hot) may make up for this as it should scale with CH

enhance raiding
looks overall relatively unchanged

ele raiding
prob a a slightly different spell rotation but otherwise pretty unchanged - would love to see if totem of wrath has been fixed.

PVP resto
changes to HW and LHW make us more powerful healers in arena, the cleanse helps massively. underlying problems with being easy to lock down remain unchanged (no cc or anti cc worth the name - fire nova is just laughable tbh - a cc that breaks cc and only then if the enemy is too stupid to kill a 5 health totem in it's 8 sec "fuse time"). The new weapon buff proc (hot) is nice in the arena also

pvp ele
much improved it appears with more survivability from a dps train (particularly melee). Still going to be very dependent on having the right team set up i'd guess (imp conc aura still seems vital) and prob will remain strongest in 5v5. Now appear to have 2 damage tree's - about time

enhance pvp
improved sr looks very good indeed (prob get nerfed) most shaman don't need 15 seconds to unload on a clothie before things get terminal and thats what this appears to give them. The spirit wolves may add a bit of extra burst dps and fire nova should be workable into getting a GT/ES/stun/ES/GT lock going (sub warstomp if you go moo). The axe specialisation looks very nice for the arena also. It seems to me that they may be pushing towards a fast off hand with a slowing proc so if you haven't allready i'd start greed rolling on those daggers no-one else seems to want. if tjhe cleanse become available to all specs then enhance is looking quite tasty (as they have more time to decurse/dispell than than ele/resto)



summary
ele/enhance raiding remain similar (they are fine anyway). ele/enhance pug heroics remain broken. Resto raiding will move away from raid healing role - too early to comment on effectiveness. enhance seems stonger in arena (particularly 2v2) and ele seems stronger in 5v5.

[Borgrimm]

Yes jeal, it looks like less raid healing for a few classes, heard about the chain heal nerf too. I dont mind useing Healing wave, main tank healing is fun like that, having to watch health, guess damage, cancel heals, different ranks etc.

Chain heal, not sure about that, hope it gets at least 1 more rank, if not will be a shame, the idea of shamans since the start gets took away.

I think you mis understand fire nova stun, you only get that with that imp fire nova talent, so elemental shamans get it (if they take talent) and with talent its 1 sec delay or something, so no-one can sestroy it before proc, and as elemental is does SICK damage tbh.

But yeah, shame on chain heal, but will see, seems a big shame to lose what we stood for all these year

[Borgrimm]

Actully about chain heal, thinking about it now.

If its anything like TBC we will be fine, or at least it wont be that major of a problem as raid healing.

i know for trash rank 4 is hardly needed, and usuly downgrading to rank 2 can be fine. On bosses most the time im useing rank 4.

So in wotlk if they dont nerf the downgrading of 70 spells useing rank5 on bosses can work perfectly fine as raid healing, we wont need it for keeping tanks alive anyway.

I think chaain heal would be fine, and the new changes makes us an even better option for 5 and 10man healing instances be making us a great choice for tank healing with poison, disease and curse healing with 1 CD!!!

[Jealousy2]

but down ranking is only smart if you have mana issues - i spam healed rank 5 for 15 mins at the council the other night and didn't drop below 70% mana the whole fight. So in wotlk i guess i won't be dropping below 90% mana? same reasoning applies to trash - i could spam rank 4 but i have nothing to loose by spamming rank 5 so i do (again cos mana is not an issue). There are times when HPS is vital (e.g. illidan p2) and being effectively forced to downrank will become very obvious.

[Borgrimm]

*shrug* sure, but will see.

I read somewhere that theres only abilities to level 75 released so far, so theres still 5 more levels, who knows, I sure hope they give me another chain heal.